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RE: Artanian conference - Ligbruderkrieg - 30-10-2024

George Aymery Gobblin, Permanent Representative of Her Majesty's Government

Quote:As Luthori has now heard the positions of most Artanian states on these proposals, the Government of Luthori, while remaning committed to the idea of Pan-Artanianism, must say here that we are quite skeptical.

Of course, we do not reject the reasons or plans of His Excellency when he and his government prepared this conference. But, Luthori remains skeptical of the proposals.

Luthori do not think, that for now, a "Security Council" nor a defence agreement between all Artanian states is the right path, it would be moving on too fast in the field of Artanian collaboration, which is an rocky path all in itself, considering all of the states' apprehension or... fears about each other. We need to move on slowly with that process, only by that, we could potentially create a defence arrangement between all Artanian states that would last in time, and not becoming another failed Joint Artanian Security Agreement, also known as JASA. This agreement was pressed forward too soon and, as many expected in this room, faded into oblivion and irrelevancy. Luthori is receptive to the calls for a security umbrella all across the continent, but we think that we musn't take this path lightly.

On the Artanian Union, we oppose calls for an "Artanian Parliament", it has been rightfully pointed out that the Artanian Union failed because of its bureaucracy, yet here, we are proposing something that would continue this trend of failures. Luthori accepts an Artanian Economic Union, where states would be representated by their respective governments to discuss Artanian economic collaboration, and if I may, economic integration.



RE: Artanian conference - Doc - 30-10-2024

Her Imperial Majesty, Empress Pavlina I Ananto, for the Empire of Ananto and Kalistan

Quote:**  A loud and long nasal inhalation sound is heard from the back row.  In a moment, Her Imperial Majesty, Empress Pavlina I Ananto stands up, claps the Beiteynese Deputy Minister on the back rather roughly, says "Zuzena!" and strides out of the room, pushing open the door briskly before her and stepping through it as it swings back and closes loudly.  The lights in the room appear to brighten a level or two upon the Empress' exit.  **



RE: Artanian conference - MrFacts - 30-10-2024

Arne Declercq, staatspresident Federale republiek Ikradon

Quote:I don't totally disagree with mr George Aymery Gobblin of the empire of Luthori. We believe that an agreement is not an obligation, it is a choice we would take today or tomorrow or whenever. Are we adults with the best motives for our nation and Artania. Is a stable Artania not better for all of us then a divided one? We understand the concerns, but taking half measures mostly leads to failure, the question remains, what will Artania do next time it is used as puppets? because that is what happened, we are so divided that non- artanians came inhere and played all of us out against each other. Ikradon only wants a minimal united Artania to prevent such events in future. 

I undertsand the notions of being sceptical about a union, as Ikradon will support a union, we do however need to agree with Luthori that a union now is to hasty. Can i ask Mr Gobblin what path he would consider right for this Artania now?



RE: Artanian conference - MrFacts - 30-10-2024

(30-10-2024, 09:51 PM)MrFacts Wrote: Arne Declercq, staatspresident Federale republiek Ikradon

Quote:I don't totally disagree with mr George Aymery Gobblin of the empire of Luthori. We believe that an agreement is not an obligation, it is a choice we would take today or tomorrow or whenever. Are we adults with the best motives for our nation and Artania. Is a stable Artania not better for all of us then a divided one? We understand the concerns, but taking half measures mostly leads to failure, the question remains, what will Artania do next time it is used as puppets? because that is what happened, we are so divided that non- artanians came inhere and played all of us out against each other. Ikradon only wants a minimal united Artania to prevent such events in future. 

I undertsand the notions of being sceptical about a union, as Ikradon will support a union, we do however need to agree with Luthori that a union now is to hasty. Can i ask Mr Gobblin what path he would consider right for this Artania now?

Quote: Also, wanted to say my support about the economical collaboration, but want to point out, there is already a treaty that supports and enhances this.



RE: Artanian conference - hyraemous - 31-10-2024

Jaizkibel Garaycochea, Lead Delegate for the Kundrati Union
Quote:I echo my agreement with the idea from the Luthorian delegation on a continent-wide economic council. Such a council will be an excellent first step to ambitious ideas like an Artanian Union. We've tried in the past to start big; perhaps now we should look into starting small and working through unnecessary objections should they arise.



RE: Artanian conference - Mbites - 31-10-2024

Gregor Fennek, Diplomatic Corp of the Dual Republic

Quote:We agree with the points raised by our luthorian friends but also want to explain that an economic union is definitly not a necessity and not really a high priority for the Dual Republic. We're already trading via bilateral free-trade or multilateral free trade agreements with most of the nations present. Neither are any of the political unionization aspects of any importance to us.



RE: Artanian conference - MrFacts - 31-10-2024

Arne Declercq, Staatspresident of the Federale Republiek Ikradon.

Quote:We will support everything that can lead to cooperation. trading is an important mather, so we support Luthori's delegation, but also agree with Narikuton$Darnussia. There is already a treaty that improves Artanian trade. 

To be honest, Ikradon organised this conference, after the recent troubles Artania faced, it worries us. If we would find a cooperation, it would be most important that it would go about security, not about political bodies or any kind of leadership that can be misused. We respect everyone's opinion, but the fact remains that we haven't gotten a clue about how to even discuss one subject, is also a worrying fact. It is not meant as critiscisme, just an observation. We are gratefull of all you to come all this way.

I would like to propose try at least to discuss the matter of protection, security or defense, how you want to call it. We already proposed one, we would like that other delegations also propose an idea on how they think the security of Artania should be handled. 



RE: Artanian conference - MrFacts - 01-11-2024

Arne Declercq, Staatspresident of the federale republiek Ikradon

Quote:We are at the end of this conference, Ikradon regrets not having found any common ground, we do however are gratefull for being able to get all of you around the table. We thank all of you for coming and hope it could be a start of at least something. We want to give all of you a leaving gift of our own Ikradonian beer and waffles. We wish you all safe travels and hope for future talks being more fruitfull. goodbye.

the gifts are ready to be distributed and are distributed to all delegations, also the observers, as they noted that the empress of Kalistan already left, the gift for her and her delegation will be sended to her as a gift.


RE: Artanian conference - GreekIdiot - 01-11-2024

Benjamin Kadiyot, Deputy Head of the Medinat Department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Homeland State of Beiteynu

Quote:[remains seated, leaning slightly to the right, watching the delegates; a hint of a smile appears at the edge of his upper lip]



RE: Artanian conference - hyraemous - 01-11-2024

Jaizkibel Garaycochea, Lead Delegate for the Kundrati Union
Quote:We appreciate the Ikradonese trying to bring peace to this continent despite the efforts of others.

[He smiles towards the observers' box, before turning back and facing the Ikradonese delegation.]

You are welcome to meet with us and I am sure that Artanian nations here are willing to welcome you in talking about these ideas further in a more private occasion. But until then, as is a common phrase within my people, denok dakigu errua nori eta nori eskertu.