03-02-2026, 01:02 PM
(03-02-2026, 12:03 AM)Mbites Wrote: While it's hard for me to measure how much had been posted by Svet in the Trigunia thread before we shifted to the new forum/site, I vaguely recall that it has not been that much (like one or two pages of posts), correct me if I'm wrong. Due to this fact, and almost no option to really check on past content, I'll focus this response on the stuff that has been primarily rp'd on this forum.
For starters, the number of pages i wrote from my RP in Trigunia is over 10 since I remember clearly my user profile data showing me that I wrote nearly 200 posts for Trigunia. Trigunia was the nation I stayed the longest in but back then you could still consider me as a newborn player in PT and I couldn't properly manage my creative flow which often led me to burn out.
Quote:While this could potentially be true, I can recall that there has been quite a difference in time between when you initially rp'd in Trigunia (which was before I returned in very late 2023), before you went to a multitude of other nations, in that time basically no one aside you has really acknowledged or rp'd with this refugee-policy, so its basically been just implied that the numbers have been growing by posts that happened long after the slow incremental changes necessary for a CulPro update should have been posted, meaning this is an ex-post way of justifying this and this is simply not how this works, thats something i've been taking an issue with because this borders on blatant disregard for the rules and at best its bad form. While I'd generally be fine with this change from a realism/culture POV I think the way this has been ""integrated"" makes it impossible for me to support.
While the refugee policy wasn't as RPed by others as I did, they still acknowledged the fact that Trigunia had a Beagukiyan minority in its lands from the consequences of the war. Secondly, I contained the Nova Beagukiyans strictly within the regions of northern Radin as to not cause confusion on their locations across the isles, furthermore, the RP about them was inspired from real life examples of the involvement of ethnic minorities during the Russian Revolution. I read A People's Tragedy: The Russian Revolution, 1891-1924 by Orlando Figes, Russia in Revolution: An Empire in Crisis, 1890 to 1928 by S. A. Smith, and The "Russian" Civil Wars, 1916-1926: Ten Years That Shook the World by J. Smele to replicate the same policies enacted by the temporary but still relevant ethnic state that broke away from the empire during the chaos, logically a minority like the Nova Beagukiyans would take advantage of the Tsardom collapsing in order to form their own states then exploit their advantage to leverage the situation in their favor (the deployment of chemical bombs against the Tsardom and development of a cure to the Blood Tears Virus). Naturally a minority like them would find their place in society in a way that's not obstructing for any of the players (that's OOC)
Quote:While I think that the derodadyhsdoodedlydaaad post would be a great start on integrating new languages, were there follow up posts or only implications? If only the latter I dont think the standards of incremental changes has been met, even if we're more generous on the language side. Otherwise I'm perfectly happy to support the distinctiveness of Kozaki and Kirivan cultures as their respective subgroups, that seems like a reasonable and realistic development to have.
If you even bothered to take a look at the RP done by me, jorni, and weim in Trigunia you would know that the De-Rodashyanfication policy has less to great implications on Trigunia as it can be seen in the Constitutional Convention of the first constitution recognizing those languages as official ones alongside Rodashyan, not only that but the impacts of this policy are reflected in the logos that I made for the country which often use all those mentioned tongues and electoral maps also follow this principle. On top of that both Weim and Jorni extensively RPed about their own languages, Krivian and Kozaki respectively, with the later even helping develop Kirivian culture and its language in Vrosnok through the use of civic nationalism and the institution of the Confederation which explicitly encourage such policies. For the change in languages I mainly based it on the books that I read talking about this subject those being:
Politics and the Theory of Language in the USSR 1917–1938: The Birth of Sociological Linguistics edited by Craig Brandist, Language and Power in the Creation of the USSR, 1917–1953 by Michael G. Smith, The Languages of the Soviet Union by Bernard Comrie, Stalin and the Soviet Science Wars by Ethan Pollock, and The Affirmative Action Empire: Nations and Nationalism in the Soviet Union, 1923–1939 by Terry Martin.
Quote:This is a major retcon and does - even if offering more RP than the other changes (which is a low bar)- in no way justify its existence and what I stated about procedure and incremental changes can only be stated here too, an even worse case in my opinion. Together with the jarring concerns about realism which I believe do not need to be explained, this is an absolute no-no.
The addition of the MCN isn't even a retcon as the church appeared from a division within the Augustan Church, even then, when I first RPed the appearance of the MCN Polites approached me and helped me correct mistakes I made (I had assumed the Patriarchal Church of Trigunia was still around) and helped me flesh out the schism between the two churches and make it more grounded and realistic. To make my RP of the MCN realistic by real life standards I read books from the 4 major theological phases of eastern Europe and Russia as a whole those being,
Sacred Stories: Religion and Spirituality in Modern Russia edited by Heather Coleman and Mark Steinberg, and A Long Walk to Church: A Contemporary History of Russian Orthodoxy by Nathaniel Davis. So I could figure out how a church like the MCN would work.
Of Religion and Empire: Missions, Conversion, and Tolerance in Tsarist Russia edited by Robert Geraci and Michael Khodarkovsky, Russian Orthodoxy on the Eve of Revolution by Vera Shevzov, The Tsar's Foreign Faiths: Toleration and the Fate of Religious Freedom in Imperial Russia by Paul W. Werth, so that the rise of the MCN in its context (the Trigunian Disaster) would be more logical and grounded with real life examples of the political institutions during the medieval and modern history of Russia.
Church and State in Soviet Russia: Russian Orthodoxy from World War II to the Khrushchev Years by T.A. Chumachenko, A Sacred Space Is Never Empty: A History of Soviet Atheism by Victoria Smolkin, "Godless Communists": Atheism and Soviet Society, 1917–1932 by William B. Husband, in order to understand how the different republics would react to the surgence of the MCN especially communist ones such as Lesnov and to a clerical body defying their strictly atheistic views.
Religion and Politics in Contemporary Russia: Beyond the Binary of Power and Authority by Tobias Köllner, and Russian Orthodoxy Resurgent: Faith and Power in the New Russia by John and Carol Garrard, to see how the MCN would evolve under the Confederation and its within a society like the on in Trigunia that has witnessed major changes in its history.
Quote:Last point: The Rename.
Well while I do think the explanation offered does have its merit and isnt completely out of the way I dont think there has been done enough to erase 5000 years of history, considering that Trigunia had been played extensively and wasnt by any means a nation with barely any content, I think there should be a lot more to this.
I neither said nor meant that a renaming of Trigunia into Nadiya would be an erasure of the RP done by others before and after. If we follow this logic, then the renaming of Beiteynu into Amudim and Dankuk into Beaguk equates to the erasure of the RP done in those nations. I explicitly said that the renaming would mean a smooth transition from the historically Russia-focused RP done in the country toward a more broad east Slavic one. I also didn't say that Trigunia was a nation with "barely any content". I am proud to RP in a country as rich as Trigunia in term of the care people have put into it even when we had different visions for it and hope that even more people come this nation to RP alongside me in order to make an even more interesting and rich nation that holds years spent by dedicated players.